Rat Poison (Rodenticide) Treatment In Dogs And Cats

Rat poison.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

If your pet is in any way exposed to modern rat poisons it is a medical emergency that you cannot put off. “Exposed” includes having been in the vicinity of the poison and you’re not sure whether he actually ate any or not.

Most of today’s rodenticides work by interrupting the body’s blood clotting systems, resulting in fatal bleeding. Even though they are called “rodent”-icides, they will kill any mammal that ingests them. Many rat poisons will also kill birds and fish.

The potency of rat poison has been ramped up dramatically over the last twenty years. “Poison corn” of three decades ago killed a lot of mice and rats, as well as many dogs, cats and not a few people. Still, if a victim was found quickly, vomiting was induced and anti-anticoagulant treatment was instituted for a week or so, the victim survived.

Not so today’s rodenticides. They can be fatal in extremely small amounts and their effect can last for thirty days and beyond.Treatment starts with removing the poison by inducing vomiting if it was ingested recently. While this can be a good test for whether poison was actually eaten, it is not foolproof. Poison eaten several hours before emesis (vomiting) therapy may have moved too far into the digestive tract to be vomited up. Further, because these poisons are effective in such small amounts, if a pet or person vomits some up we still don’t know whether he vomited all of the poison, and enough might be left behind that it could still be fatal.

 Therefore, the usual course of therapy after vomiting is to begin anti-anticoagulant therapy with an injection, followed by oral therapy for thirty days or more.

In cases where the ingestion time is unknown and the patient is already symptomatic (blood in the stool, urine and/or vomitus, bleeding under the skin, in the whites of the eyes, inside the eyes or other locations around the body), not only must anti-anticoagulant therapy be given but blood products must also be provided in case the patient has used up all of his own clotting mechanisms. When Jasmon came to see us today her owner had merely seen her standing over the area where a cake of rat poison was. There was none in her teeth and she vomited twice for us and we saw no trace of poison. Jasmon might have been fine with no further treatment at all, but waiting is simply too risky.

Waiting might have cost Jasmon her life.

See you tomorrow, Dr. Randolph.

MMRODENT

176 thoughts on “Rat Poison (Rodenticide) Treatment In Dogs And Cats

  1. Anyutik

    Dr. James W. Randolph!
    My 4 years old french bulldog ate rat poison with Bromadiolone.I have caught her eating it and made her vomit myself straight away (used my hand). She ate half of the tablet.Then I ran to the vet and he injected her in order to create vomiting again, so she vomited again.Now is next day already and I she does not have any symptoms except being tired and sleeping all day. What should I do?Should I start k1?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      My preferences on treatment of my patients are stated above. It is up to your attending veterinarian to make decisions about treatment of your specific pet. If “being tired and sleeping all day” are not normal for her, the attending veterinarian needs to hear from you so that he can give you proper advice. Please keep us posted on her progress, Dr. Randolph.

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    2. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Anyutik, I am sorry that we were unable to reply in a timely fashion. Our site was down for a while with some problems. We are back now. I hope that you have obtained proper medical care for your pet, and be sure to continue it as long as the veterinarian has recommended. I don’t like to take chances with rodenticides!

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  2. giorgio

    Doctor, yesterday I woke up to find my dog barely walking (as if drunk), shaking, and white foam coming out of his mouth. I directly rushed him to the veterinarian and he gave him 3 injections, 10 minutes later he went back to normal. The veterinarian told me that he ate rat poison and he’s gonna be ok. But last night he looked so tired although he ran a bit when went for a walk but he didn’t look like his normal self. And I also saw a little bit of foam going out of his mouth again but not so much. I’m afraid he didn’t get the full treatment. I need your advice here. the veterinarian didn’t make him vomit also. Is it ok? Thank you.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Unless one is 199% sure all of the rodenticide has been removed from the body, a single visit is never enough treatment for rodenticide poisoning. In your case, without vomiting, all of the poison is probably still in the body. Modern rodenticides require a minimum of 30 days of therapy, and sometimes more. Even when I feel confident that all of the rodenticide is out of the body, I still treat for 30 days, because the alternative is just too dangerous. Please seek additional care for your dog and keep us posted on how he does by posting your comments here. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  3. shakattack

    Hi Dr, Our 7 year old golden retriever was coughing and vomiting blood. we took him to the veterinarian where they did blood tests for rat poisoning. It was confirmed that indeed it was rat poisoning and so they injected him with antibiotic and vitamin K1. he is also on k1 tablets for 6 weeks. He seems to be coughing and vomiting less however when we give him water it makes him gag. He looks really weak and I was wondering whether he will be okay and is there anything else we can do to help his health improve. I’m giving him probiotics as well. Thanks for your time.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      My concern is that your pet is weak. He needs to see his veterinarian again, or, at least, make a phone call to him to find out whether the degree of lethargy you’re seeing is excessive or expected. Please stay in touch and let us know how he is.

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  4. Sal

    Does rat poison fully dissolve in the body, as in if an animal ate the feces of an animal with it, albeit a very small piece, could the dog still get sick? Please respond I don’t know what to do.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Stool ingested with rodenticides in it will definitely still be active. Your pet needs to see a veterinarian right away. Beginning treatment early after ingestion is crucial. Take your pet to his veterinarian right away.

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  5. tasha

    my dog injested a rat poison (racumen). what to do? i
    already induced my dog to vomit by givng h2o2. he vomited twice and i didnt see any partcles of the rodenticide. adn i let her drink cup of water fwith sugar because some said sugar will enhance its detoxifying effect. and i also ask many vet here in the philippines and they say i should give vit. k1 if symptoms occur. i am very confused. do i need to wait for the symptoms to occur? or shud i prevent it by giving vit.k1 immediately. thanks

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Anna, your situation is different from here in the United States, so, yes, go ahead and treat prophylactically for 30 days, as I am not familiar with the active ingredient. If it is one of the long-acting ones treating for a shorter time period could result in relapse. In the United States a veterinarian would prescribe and dispense the medication.

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      1. tasha

        the act. ing of racumen is coumatetralyl. by the way, if the sign of bleeding occur is it already fatal? will my dog die immediately or it would take another day? because vet clinics will be close until tomorrow. we cnt take her to any vet to have some vit k1 now.can i let her drink apple cider vinegar with water 50:50? bec i also heard that it will do great for my dog. but as of now my dog is still doing well. she still play and run. i dnt observe any signs and symptoms yet though its almost 24 hrs since she injested the poison.

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        1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

          If she is not bleeding now it is highly unlikely (but not impossible) that she would die before Monday. However, if bleeding begins before therapy is begun the entire picture changes. I have no experience with apple cider vinegar as a treatment and have never heard of using it in a case such as this. I think I would just stick with plain water. Any dehydration she might experience from it could be detrimental, especially if she stopped taking in oral fluids. Hyperacidification could also occur. Please keep us posted as to your dog’s progress; we are truly interested in knowing how she fares, Dr. Randolph.

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  6. Jasonmhavard

    Hi there. My dog ate some D-con brand rat bait (about two tablespoons) and it’s been about a week since that occurred. I was with her at the time and was able to induce vomiting of what seemed to be the entire current contents of her stomach. All seemed well but now she has a mysterious leg/shoulder pain in one leg that seems excruciating and I wonder if this is connected to the poison. I have researched that stiffness of muscles and joints is a symptom of poisoning but she has no other symptoms. Could she have this one issue and no others? I haven’t visited the veteerinarian because I am very low on cash and barely making ends meet currently so I wanted t know how severe this is, if there is a connection and what tests and how costly are they to have done? I don’t wanna lose my baby, what can I do?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Jason, the key words in your missive are “excruciating,” “severe” and “I don’t want to lose my baby.” If you had pain that could be described as “excruciating,” wouldn’t you want someone to take pity on you and have it checked by a doctor? Please find some way to get her seen, evaluated and treated. There is no way to know whether it is rodenticide-related until that happens. Please write back and let us know how she is and what the doctor found. Thank you for reading, Dr. Randolph.

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  7. sha

    Hi. There was a mouse in my house for two months. I tried many things to get rid of it, but finally had to put poison ”Rattex” by the brand ”Doom”. I kept the room closed for the rodent would take about 4-12 days to die. Today I heard the mouse making a terrible noise and when I rushed to see, I saw the door of the room opened. I saw my cat running away. I don’t know if she got the mouse and carried it away because I saw her from the back and she ran away(I was panicked and shouted a lot). I’m waiting for her to get back home. How will I know if she got it and ate it? I don’t want to wait for symptoms until its too late. I live on a small island, vets are closed here, its Sunday. Can you help me please? Is there any way for me to know she ate it? I’m worried sick

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Sha, I hope I can ease your mind. Rodenticides aren’t particularly fast-acting. First, it’s not too late to try to make your kitty vomit some of the poison, if she has ingested any. Your chances of success are a little low roughly four hours after you first wrote, but it’s worth a try. DO NOT OVER-DO IT! Click here and follow the instructions exactly. Whether you see any poison in the vomit or not, call your veterinarian as soon as he opens Monday morning so that correct followup care can be applied. Please write back so that we can know that your kitty is OK. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  8. Pam

    Hello Dr Randolph,
    My dog ingested some rat poison two months ago. We caught her in the act and took her to the vet the following day. They put her on a Vitamin K regimen and she never showed any symptoms. Unfortunately, I thought I was only supposed to give her the vitamin for a month, but my husband says that the vet had said two months. I had been the one giving her the vitamin twice a day and I stopped about 3 weeks ago. But today I noticed that her abdomen is bloated and I’m worried that the poison was still in her system when I stopped giving her the vitamin. She has no other symptoms, no bloody feces or loss of appetite , and she doesn’t seem uncomfortable. But it is saturday and we don’t have veterinarian that’s available on the weekends. Is it possible that she is bleeding internally?
    Sincerly,
    Very Worried Dog Owner

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Gracie, you are in an unenviable position. While it’s relatively unlikely that your dog is having rodenticide problems (or you would be seeing bleeding in the gums, skin of the abdomen, pinnae (ear flaps) or other areas), there are still many, many things that can cause a bloated abdomen, and all of them are serious. Is there a larger city you could travel to that has an after-hours emergency service? Please keep us posted and we will pray for you and your dog, Dr. Randolph.

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  9. Robbie

    Last saturday I took my 6-year old briard to a tiny fishing port, S’estaca, in north mallorca to swim. He normally is a real sports dog, but walking up to the car he was slow. Driving home he became anxious and started shaking. No signs of grey lips of heat stroke, but the veins in the whites of his eyes had become reddened. Heooked desperate, like he wanted to escape some there was no where to escape from. He died at the vets 24 hours later. His white blood cells had disappeared, his glucose level plummeted to 19ml, and he suffered multiple organ failure. The young vet was sure it was heat stroke, but he was with us all the time, and was usually strong during hiking, and the walk to the car was just a km. At the port going back today we found dead rats. He’d also 3 holes like stings in one nostril, where the usually black skin had gone white. When I collected his body the vet advised me to think about heat if getting another dog. We all loved Leo so much, and feel something more than heat walking for 15 minutes was the cause.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      There are quite a few things that can cause massive, multiple-organ failure. Rodenticides seem unlikely, or you and your veterinarian would have mentioned bleeding/hemorrhage in your history. Necropsy can sometimes identify a cause, but in cases such as this the necropsy would have to be extensive and would have to include histopathology many, many tissues. That could run into a lot of money, and would have to have been done right away after his passing, preferably by a veterinary pathologist. Heat stroke fits, but toxins, such as snake venom, could fit, too. Could the puncture wounds you saw on his nose be evidence of snakebite? Were his vaccinations current? Low white blood cell count is associated with canine parvovirus. I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your beloved pet. I wish we could be more help, Dr. Randolph.

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      1. Robbie

        Thank you for your reply. One veterinarian in Mallorca also mentioned snake bites, the three round holes were like medium sized needle holes, had red rings around them, and the usually black skin around them had turned very pale, almost white. There might have been another hole to the side. I guess that might sound familiar to a snake expert, but the veterinarian refused to look at his as she’d already stapled the oxygen tube to the same nostril.

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  10. Shelby

    Hi, my cat just found rat poison that an unintelligent exterminator dispersed throughout my house.I thought we got rid of it all, apparently not. He has never consumed it, just picks it up with his mouth and brings it right to me. We had him treated before when he found some but didn’t consume it. He was given vitamin k in pill form for around three weeks. My veterinarian had never dealt with this before, and I remember him describing something heightened in his blood that might’ve showed signs of poisoning. He shows no symptoms now like last time, but I’m still concerned. What exactly shows in blood work of poisoning. And is blood work necessary every time to get vitamin K prescribed for my cat?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      I suppose this is one of those areas that is a judgment call. Patients may be treated symptomatically with Vitamin K in the case of a known exposure, and it’s up to the attending veterinarian to decide whether he will perform blood tests. In our practice, my usual approach for the asymptomatic exposed patient is treatment for 30 days followed by blood testing, usually a week or so after ending medication. Each doctor has his own style and beliefs. Please keep us updated on his progress. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph

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  11. Kim

    My Miniature Schnauzer Marty got into mouse poison somehow. We took him into the emergency veterinarian on Tuesday night after he became increasingly tired and his right leg wouldn’t stop moving.
    He had bleeding under the skin and a lot of bruising on his stomach. She ran tests, which showed that his internal organs were not damaged and no fluid in his lungs, but that he had hardly any red blood cells. He had at least several vitamin K1 shots and a plasma transfusion. He spent the night there, then we took him to our regular veterinary clinic during the day where they monitored him, then back to the emergency veterinarian for another night of supportive care, then back to our regular veterinarian again for follow-up care.
    He’s now at home and has been for several evenings. He’s on vitamin K1 pills for a month. He is very tired, has no energy, he will eat, although he’s picky about what he’ll eat, and is drinking a lot of water. We are keeping him crated so he can rest in peace and not be bothered by my other dogs.
    He goes back to our regular veterinarian for more blood work tomorrow. What are his chances for a full recovery? How long will it be before he’s back to his normal self? He’s only four years old and was in perfect health before this.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Thank you for writing, Kim. Marty has been through a lot, and he won’t bounce back to normal immediately, but most rodenticide patients do recover fully, with proper care. “Proper care” means progress examinations as needed, but at least weekly. On some of those visits he may need laboratory testing ranging from hematocrit to complete blood count to chemistry profile. While you have no-doubt already invested heavily in time and finances, it would be a shame to lose Marty or have him suffer permanent damage because you let your defenses down now. If I see one area of concern in your listing of Marty’s symptoms it would be his water consumption. Be sure to mention that to your veterinarian Monday so that he can investigate whether Marty’s water consumption might be excessive. And, please, keep us up to date on Marty’s progress by posting comments here. Thank you, Dr. Randolph.

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      1. Kim

        Marty is going back to our regular vet tomorrow for more blood work. I will mention the water consumption to them. He seems to be doing a lot better today & he has even tried to play with toys, but we’re keeping him quiet.

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          1. Kim

            Marty is doing extremely well! He’s using his right rear leg again most of the time now, his energy levels are back to normal, he’s eating his normal food again, & he has personality plus! He’s always near me, though. He’s lost some of his independence from me from being sick. I’m sure he’ll regain it over time. He’s a mama’s boy & I love him!

  12. Denis Kenshalo

    My dog had a vitamin K1 injection today. She ate some D-Con and I couldn’t get her to the veterinarian for 2 days. But I did give her some peroxide about an hour after she ate it. She only ate about five pellets and I did get three of them out of her. Then I went and got some K1 pills and gave her. The Veterinarian said that I did the right thing. My question is the veterinarian said for me to treat my dog like a ball of cotton, don’t let her get excited or don’t let her run and don’t let her play with her sister. Well I have two dogs and they are both the same age: 11 months old. It is going to be almost impossible to keep her from doing all of this. Is it really that necessary?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Thank you for writing, Denis. I’m curious: How do you know how many pellets she ate? Yes, I would follow your veterinarian’s suggestions for two reasons: 1, he’s her treating veterinarian, has examined her, is familiar with her and knows about her. 2, While her body is eliminating the toxin the risk of bleeding internally and externally is both real and high. If she begins to have internal (body cavity) hemorrhage after vigorous play you might not know it until it is too late. Also, heed the advice to use the vitamin K1 for a full 30 days, minimum. Old-timey D-con contained warfarin, which was pretty short-acting. Today’s D-con is almost all brodifacoum, which is a long-acting rodenticide and requires extended treatment. Your veterinarian may recommend a clotting profile in the vicinity of 30 days after the initial event.

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  13. jaime02ag

    I have a Boston Terrier that has eaten rat poison. I was out of town and my brother was sitting for me. He caught her in the act and took her to the vet right away. They induced vomiting, charcoal and Vitamin K. She has had 2 more days of Vitamin K treatment but is still vomiting. Today there was blood in her vomit. She’s lethargic most of the day but does have spurts of energy every now and then. Is this normal? Can signs of recovery take this long? Should I seek veterinary help again or give her more time?

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  14. lori_rottweiller

    I have two miniature schnauzers and my oldest one started acting like she felt bad wouldn’t eat. The next morning she had hemorrhaged vaginally and one day later my other one started hemorrhaging vaginally. Both are to the point of blood transfusions my veterinarian is puzzled. He thinks it might be rat poisoning. Have you heard anything like this before? They are both on vitamin k now.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Lori, there are many, many possible causes of hemorrhage, and I’m sure your veterinarian is working from a differential diagnosis list of all of the possibilities. Autoimmune Thrombocytopenia is one of the many possibilities. Even if you don’t recall putting out rodenticides, nothing says your pets couldn’t find some, and they are extremely attractive. For both of them to begin hemorrhaging at the same time makes a rodenticide diagnosis very appealing.

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  15. Janetdimke

    I am next to my cat who is sick again with rat poison. A month ago she ate poison set out for wild cats in our neighborhood. My neighbor is a veterinarian who treated her last time with vitamin k every seven hours and an IV. She fully recovered, but again ate poison. We are debating to contact the veterinarian again. We have no way to keep her in the house and will continue to eat the poison and continue to suffer. As a veterinarian, what would you recommend? It kills me to see her suffer, but can’t stand to know this could continue each time we treat her. We live in the Dominican and have to keep doors and windows open due to heat so she goes out.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Yours is an interesting dilemma, Janet. What about asking your veterinarian to supply you with ORAL vitamin K and just dose her daily? That would HAVE to be better than dying! Also, is the killing of wild cats legal? If not, there is another avenue to pursue. Please let us know how things work out, Dr. Randolph.

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  16. stacy

    I live on West Africa. I believe my dog was poisoned with rat poison. She died but I have four other dogs that I am concerned about. Here is what happened. Two weeks ago my family and I left for church as usual. That evening when we returned we fed the dogs. Nala did not eat. She was in heat so we assumed that was the problem as it had been in past times. Thursday morning she did not eat. Just layed around. She threw up once what looked like water. By the evening she was peeking up and began eating. We kept her in that night. Friday mornjng she came to me ready to go out and looked great. She ate and all week seemed fine other than seeming tired and out of breath sometimes. She was 8 years old but life in Africa is hard. Exactly one week later on a Wednesday night we all went to church. We came home and Nala ate but not all her food. Again, attributed it to being in heat. She was very healthy. We feed a raw died using imported chicken. The same chicken we eat. Thursday morning she did not have energy and refused to eat. I had a Dr. Apt. in a town almost 1 1/2 hours away. I brought her in. I felt of her and checked for dehydration. Her skin did not feel clammy or sticky. J have dealt with dehydration in two of my other dogs in the past and knew what to look for. Gums felt moist too. So we left with leaving my two daughters to watch over her. We arrived home at 6 pm to find a very dehydrated dog. She was not moving her eyes much and could not get up. She felt cool and her abdomen looked a little puffy. We also spotted her food from the previous night. It had something bright green kn top as though it was thrown up last. I called the only vet we have whom is over three hours away (only comes to our town on weekends) and she called a lab technician to come begin iv. We carried her in and tried to keep her warm. She had spells of barking and her legs would move as though she were chasing something in her sleep. Then would jerk. My daughters said she had two spells of diareah that were dark brown and the first had some green in it. They did not know the seriousness of it at the time. We gave one bag of iv fluids with an injection of vitamin k and an injection of lofnac. Her legs were becoming stiff. At one point she raised her head but I had to hold it for her. We then saw her tongue was very pale and dry. We called the vet and were told to give another iv of fluids and an injection of something to help get fluids moving quicker. After second iv the technician gave me her number and said to call if she gets worse. How much worse could she get? She was going to come at 7 am to give more mess and iv. Soon after the technician left Nala began throwing up huge amounts of dark brown fluid that smelled bloody and had something resembling coffee grounds. Then she died. No one here wants to believe someone would poison our dogs but it happens a lot among foreigners here. I want to protect my other dogs. Do the symptoms and fluids that were vomited up sound like it was a result of rat poison rather than a bacteria?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Stacy, there is little doubt that your dog died from a rodenticide. The green material in her vomitus and diarrhea, the bleeding, the seizures (as there was too little oxygen circulating to her brain because of the blood loss). However, that doesn’t mean she was maliciously poisoned. Click here to read a post that reinforces what we know about the palatability of modern anticoagulant rodenticides. Dogs simply love the taste! As sad as it is, dogs will eat rat poison that a rat turns his nose up at. So, if your dog found some, maybe at a neighbor’s house or a nearby business, she would have readily gone for it. As far as protecting your other dogs, try to keep them at home and visit with your neighbors and ask whether any have put out rat poison. If bait stations are available, perhaps you can convince your neighbors to use them. Click here and scroll down for a photo of one type of bait station.

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      1. stacy widener

        Thank you for your reply. Our dogs never leave our compound. Our wall is seven feet high. We have had numerous thefts in our area. Most of our neighbors are glad we have dogs because the dogs have woke us all up in the early morning hours. I personally saw a thief in our neighbors yard and yelled “thief” causing him to flee. Therefore, I do believe my dog was intentionally poisoned. I know it is hard to believe, but it is all to common here. Just a short time ago a man living behind us died because co-workers poisoned him over jealousy of a job promotion. Sad but true. So, no our dogs do not roam outside the yard. They are guard dogs, but thank you for your reply and the information that you provided to me.

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      2. jessica

        I have a cat who recently ate rat poison or a dead mouse, not sure which. I noticed he was acting sluggish and walking funny, then later noticed he began to bleed. I took him to the veterinarian where he was given a vitamin k injection and they sent him home with me with a prescription of vitamin k and antibiotics. He was acting better, but he wasn’t eating or drinking so I was force feeding him, and noticed that there was blood still in his stool. I took him back to the veterinarian when I noticed and they gave another medication. The next day (today) he urinated foamy and was straining, so I have another appointment with the veterinarian in a few hours. I really would like to know what I need to monitor in my cat to insure that he is staying hydrated and everything to prevent him from dying! Any help would be appreciated.

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        1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

          Jessica, the management of a rodenticide victim can be incredibly complicated, especially after the patient has lost a lot of blood and a cascade of other effects occurs in response to the blood loss. If your veterinarian is not set up for intensive care, constant management of a patient this ill, ask if he can refer you to a facility that is. Please be in touch with us again by way of another Comment so that we may know how your kitty is. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  17. Ashley VanDeusen Post author

    On July 28th, my cat got into rat poison. We were on vacation in a home where we had no access to Internet or an emergency veterinarian. He barely ate any poison but I gave him milk and as much food as he would eat to try and cover his stomach. After, he looked off, but he slept for a long time and seemed perfectly normal by that night. He has had no symptoms of any internal bleeding and acts normal. But I just decided to research rat poison in cats today and did not know it had long term effects. Should he see the veterinarian just in case?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Ashley, as of today it has been 15 days since July 28th. My only fear would be that there could be bleeding going on that you don’t see. If she were my kitty, at the very least I would make an appointment ASAP for an examination and possibly to begin symptomatic medication. One of the good things about Vitamin K is that, administered properly, there are no dangers or side effects (which, by the way, is NOT true of all vitamins!). Please let us know how your kitty’s situation turns out!

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  18. Lori G

    Our 4 year old Chihuahua-Pomeranian mix ate D-Con rat poison. We saw it immediately (this dog is spoiled rotten and watched almost constantly) so we caught him in the act and I instantly induced vomiting via salt. He did vomit several times until the only thing we saw was white foam and slobber. He did throw up the whole granules and the little bit of his own food he had eaten 20 minutes before the incident. My biggest concern is whether he can wait until Monday to see the veterinarian to begin the vitamin k, as my father is in the hospital and we are currently overwhelmed with misfortune. Would he be okay to wait just one day?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Lori, I would never RECOMMEND waiting on treatment for rodenticide, but if you have no choice because you cannot get away from your father’s care, then you simply cannot do what you cannot do. Just be sure you are on your veterinarian’s doorstep Monday morning when he opens so treatment can begin right away. If he has an answering machine or answering service, go ahead and call them so that he can have a heads-up to know that you will be there as early as possible. I will say a prayer for your baby and for your father. Please DO let us know how she does! ALSO: Salt should NEVER be used to induce vomiting, as a dangerous imbalance of electrolytes can occur. Click here to read about a safe way to induce vomiting.

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  19. kibbles

    On Friday Dec. 21st about 7:30 pm, my adopted granddaughter, and her 6mo. old Boston Terrier,(which she adores) was taken to her stepdad’s girlfriend’s home after snow plowing all day. Evidently this woman had loose piles of rat poison all over the house, even bowls of it in her food cupboards. As the dog was eating the poison, she calmly said, “Come and get your dog, he’s eating rat poison”. No one called anyone to find out what to do, or to let me know what had happened. She said to my granddaughter,”He’s a lot bigger than a rat, he’ll be just fine”. Sat. night the diarrhea started and blood in the stool. They took him to the veterinarian on Sun. then again on Mon., because of blood in his nail bed. Now we are experiencing that the dog has to urinate frequently, even on the floor, which he has never done before. Could the poison have done some damage, or could his flora still be messed up? We started feeding him 4 oz of probiotic vanilla yogurt, and a small dish of cranberry juice daily. He is doing better, but I want to make sure we are doing the right thing. A lot of prayer went out for this puppy, God saved him, and we are very grateful for that. Now I’m praying for the humans.

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  20. Lee Ann

    Dear Dr. Randolph, I have a 7 year old German Shepherd named Chisum that I adopted a year ago. About 2 weeks ago I awakened to what looked like a crime scene in my home. He had vomited blood fresh and old and had diarrhea (explosive) filled with lots of old and new blood. There were some blades of grass in one or the other, honestly it was from one end of the house all the way to the back door. Poor baby. I rushed him to an Emergency Veterinarian’s clinic because this occured on a Saturday night. We were not sure if it was rodenticide poisoning or not but suspected it. The veterinarians immediately took him back and started I.V. fluids as he was dehydrated and they ran a multitude of blood work. There had recently been fireworks in the neighborhood which he was very frightened of also. ( the noise) They highly suspected rodenticide toxicity as well as possible stress colitis or early HGE! His PT was 17 and his PTT was 300 ( very high) They gave him 5ml SQ, and Vit. K 220 mg. ( 22mL) SQ 3 sites. IV catheter 18g left cephalic+ Tport–LRS + 10mEq/L KCI at 250mL/hr They also started Flagyl 440mg. IV— His HCT was 57.3% and his HGB was 20.2 g/dl—-His ALKP was 15 U/L and his K was 3.5 mmol/L They checked his coag panel later that night or early morning and he still had a continued very prolonged PTT, but PT lower than the night before. His PLT at 3:29 am on June 24th was 194 and then re-checked at 12:04 p.m. on June 24th it was 168. PTT was still high, he was acting normal no bleeding or petechiae in his eyes or ears. No other bleeding from his nose or mouth etc. We took him home 18 hours later along with a 2 doses of Flagyl and Vit.k1 25mg.to be administered 4 tabs. x once daily. We followed up with our regular veterinarian who examined him and went over the blood work. His thought was that it was NOT rodenticide poisoning but HGE! We were sent home with enough Flagyl for a full 7 day treatment and Vit. K1 25mg.4 tab x once daily for 2 weeks. I called to ask the veterinarian ( since he just took his last dose of Vit. K1) what to do now and he asked how he was doing. I told him he seemed o.k he was weaned off of the Science Diet gastrointestinal diet back on to his Blue wilderness Senior diet and seemed o.k. We still are not letting him do a whole lot (but it is super hot here in Nashville) so he doesn’t need to be out in the heat. I am just concerned if any followup bloodwork should be done or if because he is such a anxious dog if it would do more harm than good. His veterinarian said to look for signs of any internal bleeding like spots in his ears, eyes, or belly. Do you have any further comments or suggestions. I know that they don’t know what causes HGE exactly but think it may have something to do with either stress or Clostridium Difficile, (although he had not been on any long term antibiotic therapy) so I am a bit confused as how HGE could have happened and why does it happen. Was he on the Vit. K1 long enough do you think? I am so scared for him, he is my baby. I spent several thousand dollars to treat him and save his life and I would like to prevent this if I can. HELP!! What’s a mother to do? Thanks so much, LeeAnn

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Thank you, Lee Ann, for such a complete report. As you pointed out, no one knows exactly what causes HGE, although stress (especially emotional stress) seems to be the common denominator in most cases. Indeed, I’ve seen dogs break with bloody stool within hours of owners taking out their suitcases. I’m usually in favor of continuing Vitamin K1 for at least 30 days after poisoning or suspected poisoning with rodenticides. The only down side is the cost, which can be substantial in a large dog. Since you’ve alredy discontinued it, I would simply monitor him for evidence of bleeding (skin of the abdomen, prepuce, whites of the eyes, gums and inner surfaces of lips). If you would feel better your veterinarian could prescribe another two weeks of Vitamin K1, also. Avoiding stress such as separation anxiety will certainly help. The
      Clomicalm people, Novartis Animal Health, have an excellent video on behavioral aspects of separation anxiety. If your veterinarian doesn’t have the video he might be able to order one from Novartis. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph

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  21. MaJose

    This morning I woke up and noticed that my 5 year old rottweiler ate D-con rat poisoning. Or I’m pretty sure he ate it because the blocks are no where in sight. We gave him some peroxide to induce vomiting, it didn’t work. So I went and bought some Vitamin K 100 mcg and no idea how much or how often to give it to him. What should we do?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Dear MaJose, Your dog needs to see a veterinarian right away. Administration of Vitamin K is an important part of rodenticide treatment, but there are many more aspects of treatment of a pet who has ingested rodenticides that must be taken care of.

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  22. Ian

    Hello, I have a mouse problem in my house as I live next to a field. I have a little dachshund who catches the mice and eats them, but I have a problem in my house where I need to lay poison for the mice. I can put the poison in areas the dogs cannot get to, but my concern is, if my dog eats a mouse that’s died as a result of poisoning, is this a concern? Please help. Many thanks, Ian.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Yes, Ian, this is called Secondary Rodenticide Toxicosis, and can be deadly. You’ll need to use nontoxic methods of controlling rodents such as sticky traps, live traps and snap traps. There is no other method that will be safe for your dogs.

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  23. Brooke

    Hello. I believe my cat may have rat poison. He has some of the symptoms, anorexia (loss of appetite), impaired movement, and a bit of paralysis in his hind legs. We have seen these symptoms appear about, oh, say a week ago. However, we do not have the money to afford proper treatment with a veterinarian, so we will have to sign him over to a shelter. Do you think it’s still treatable, and theres a chance he may get better?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Sadly, Brooke, those symptoms fit quite a number of possibilities. I will say a prayer that the shelter taking him will be able to turn him around. God bless them for being willing to step up and help you out.

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  24. sdepner

    I’ve looked into other causes because I could deal with it better if it was a natural death and not poison. But she was in excellent health, we had a blood panel done on her annually and she was at the veterinarian that Tuesday, 5 days previous. If she had some sort of bleeding disorder, wouldn’t we have known that through the blood panels and regular physical exams? Would she have shown some symptoms? She ate normally the day before, she never bled externally, there was no blood in her stool, she didn’t seem sick or weak at all until the day she died. It happened so fast. The emergency veterinarian knew she was bleeding internally when we brought her in. He asked about rat poison and about being hit by a car. But she bled several places, not just one like if she had been hit by a car and nothing like that happened. My whole family was over the day before and all are shocked because they saw her and she was fine. The veterinarian said after that she bled into her abdomen, her ankle swelling was actually blood in her joint, and she bled into her brain last, when she died. She is a lab weighing 90 pounds. We live in the suburbs of Chicago, IL, and have a fenced yard.

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  25. sdepner

    Doctor, my dog died from what the emergency veterinarian said was rat poisoning on Dec. 18. She was 5 years old and in perfect health. She didn’t show any symptoms that I saw until the night of the 17th going into the 18th and that day. She had diarrhea overnight, then later in the day one ankle began to swell. I thought her diarrhea was no big deal as she had it before and we had a party the day before where she ate more than usual because she had some of the food from the party. I looked at the rest of her body when her ankle swelled and her other limbs and body looked fine, so I thought she had twisted her ankle. She was moving around throughout the day, but didn’t eat and slowed down as the day went on. I attributed it to an upset tummy and her ankle being sore. Then she collapsed and lost mental alertness that night and that is when we went to the emergency veterinarian. They could not save her, she died within an hour. They gave her fluids, but no plasma. She bled into her brain, I think she was already in a coma when we got to the hospital because she didn’t respond at all. My own veterinarian has not been willing to answer any questions and I am devasted. I don’t know how she could have gotten the poison because she was only in our yard the week prior. I am afraid someone did this to her on purpose. I searched the yard and found nothing and no one has ever complained about her. Are these usually accidental when the dog’s owner does not know where the poison came from? Could it have been a bird that was poisoned that she ate? Or could an animal like a squirrel or possum have carried the poison into our yard? Can you please give me some information? I am afraid now and don’t know if our yard is safe. I feel so guilty that I did not take her to the hospital sooner, but I thought her symptoms were something else that was not serious and the thought of poison would have never entered my mind because I would never use such a thing. I don’t even know if the diarrhea was from the poison or if it was just regular diarrhea. There was no blood in her stool.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Dear Ms. Depner, How very sad for you to have lost your baby. I’m sorry that nothing could be done for her. I wish I could give you some answers, but without laboratory testing and possibly a necropsy it would be difficult to say what the rest of the story is. Other causes of bleeding are many. Among them, one of the more common causes is Immune Mediated Thrombocytopenia (IMTP or AITP). Certainly, wild animals who have died from rodenticides can be ingested by domesticated pets, causing “secondary” rodenticide poisoning. Are there sick people out there who would poison your dog? Certainly, but the above possibilities are more likely, especially in the absence of prior problems or threats.

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  26. SuperN

    I cannot even begin to tell you the heartbreak of losing a pet to a rodenticide, especially when you don’t have any on your property and the puppy has not been out of a fenced yard. I just lost a beautiful 4 month old Australian shepherd baby girl to Vitamin D rodenticide poisoning which was identified on autopsy (necropsy). I noticed a difference in Cheyenne’s energy level about a week prior to going to the veterinarian’s but she was eating and drinking just fine with no vomiting or diarrhea but the day I took her, she had alarmingly bloodshot eyes. The veterinarian diagnosed roundworms, gave me a dewormer and a sulfa-based antibiotic and sent us home insisting that the eyes were from stress. We returned the next day because she was now vomiting, The Veterinarian ran a CBC, didn’t really see much out of the ordinary but knew whe was dehydrated so we agreed to some IV fluids and some oral doxycycline. When they went to start the IV, the veterinarian’s technician noticed the hemorrhage in her right eye. Immediately they assumed D-Con type rodenticide and she was given a Vitamin K injection and sent home with oral Vitamin K also. The next day was Saturday and I called the office in the AM with the reply that “the Vitamin K needed time to turn this around”. I watched her decline until Monday AM, called the veterinarian, same answer, had a meltdown and they agreed to see her. They ran a CBC/Diff and Chemistry profile and were horrified at the results. She was in renal failure and the veterinarian could not tell me why. She consulted the Emergency Veterinary Center and they could not connect the hyphema in her eyes to her symptoms and blood work. She gave her an injection for nausea, pain and antibitotic, started her on IV’s and we took her home to pray for a miracle which never came. Cheyenne died in our arms around midnight. PLEASE, get this information to your readers.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      SuperN, our hearts go out to you on the loss of your precious Cheyenne. Sadly, unless there is an index of suspicion that leads a practitioner to perform a chemistry profile to determine that there is a change in calcium levels, it may be too late by the time one discovers a vitamin D rodenticide is the offending agent.. A thoroughly heartbreaking outcome.

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  27. Tracy D

    Thank you for your quick response. I will look at the beads when I get home – after thinking about it, they may be something like the silica gel beads; they are very hard and bounce (one came down the stairs and bounced across the kitchen, and the pile I found of them was in the middle of a bedroom, not in a closet like the others). I was planning on looking very hard under the edge of the baseboards and around the edges of the rooms to make sure I couldn’t find any more of the pellets.

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  28. Tracy D

    I just purchased a home and there was poison in the house in a few places. One kind is green pellets and I also found some pink ‘beads’ that I am not sure if they are poison or not. I have vacuumed up everything I could see and we are getting the carpets professionally cleaned. If I possibly missed a pellet or two (they were everywhere), and my cat happened to eat it – would one pellet be enough to harm her? She’s a fairly large cat (13 or so pounds), but I’m not sure if that would change how it would affect her. Thanks for any information.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Yes, Tracy, you are right to be concerned. Spending a little more time looking around another time or two could be the difference between life and death for your kitty. You have a significant advantage over most rodenticide-poisoning cases, though, because you know in advance that there is the potential for problems. When treatment is begun quickly and early after clinical signs appear, the prognosis is usually excellent. Of course prevention is always best, which is why I’m recommending another look-see or two. I am concerned about the pink beads, as rodenticides come in other colors in addition to the “classic green.” I would take the bead (in a plastic bag, after washing your hands thoroughly) to a local pest control service and ask them whether they can identify it. While you’re there, you might want to sign up for a rodent-control contract, as the previous owners clearly had a rodent problem. Don’t forget that “secondary” rodenticide poisoning is a real threat: if your kitty eats a rat or mouse that has eaten poison she, too, can be poisoned. By having professionals control your potential rodent problem, you know that their poison will be properly protected and that the rodent population won’t be allowed to multiply. Click here to see an example of a professional enclosure your pest control agent might use.

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  29. Tracy Post author

    My 13 year old dog ate some 10 year old Tomcat rat poison green pellets this morning. Long story short, we took her to the veterinarian and she is getting Vitamin K1 shots and receiving fluids; also they induced vomiting and found nothing. But my question is, how long is the poison potent for, it has been 10 yrs in a crawl space of the house? If you could let me know your answer or best guess I would appreciate it. Thank You, Tracy K.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Tracy, yours is an excellent question, but one to which I’m reasonably sure there is no answer. After all, why would a rodenticide manufacturer do the research to find out whether his product is still effective ten years later? There’s no financial incentive for him, and whether it’s 10 minutes or 10 centuries, their answer to the question, “Should I treat?” is still going to be the same. There is simply too much risk in not treating and almost no risk in treating. Plus the cost of treatment is pretty low. If you’re curious enough you might call Tomcat or D-con and ask them your original question, but it still won’t affect your veterinarian’s decision about treatment. Thanks for stimulating our brains! Dr. Randolph.

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  30. Robert Zepecki, DVM

    I don’t want any client to be “afraid”, just cautious and aware. In rural areas, where this type of accidental ingestion of rodenticide poison is available, death is uncommon except in cases of non-compliance. The comment about being ripped off by a vet or institution may be legitimately felt , but not a “price gouging” matter as nobody really knows about the long term effects of rodenticides. Just look at the hemorrhage spots on your Aunt Hattie’s forearms, who is taking coumadin. Pretty much of an imperfect science. A simple drop of blood on a slide that clots will be enough to tell you how your doggy is doing. Cats don’t seem to like rodenticides. However, if they eat enough mice or rats who died from poisoning, they may also “mysteriously” die.

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  31. CB

    Hello our dog is currently on Vitamin K1 . We think he may have eaten mouse poison. Would have been one piece or so but we don’t want to take any chances. How many days after the 30 days of Vitamin K1 should it be before PT clotting test is done? I have one more question. At first our veterinarian would not give me more than 14 days for my pet of the k1. I went back as you suggested and spoke with the veterinarian. She took the situation more seriously and provided 6 weeks of K1. Should I get PT test after 30 days or 6 weeks? Can the K1 harm the dog in any way? Should we keep dog on K1 for 30 days then do PT test or 6 weeks then do PT test? Our dog is the terrier who may have ate a mouse poison pellet. We are unsure but wanted to be safe just in case. We appreciate your web site and your help .It is so helpful to all animal lovers .Thank You, Thank You for your help. It is appreciated.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Good questions, CB. No, Vitamin K1 given orally can cause no harm. Injectable Vitamin K1 must be administered by a veterinarian, as complications can occur if it is used incorrectly. The prothrombin time (PT) test may be performed at four or six weeks into therapy. You are very welcome. I am happy to hear your dog is getting proper therapy.

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  32. worriedaboutmydog

    Hi again. I called my dog’s veterinarian this morning and was told that if the poison hasn’t affected her already then she will probably be alright. I was told that it had been long enough for serious effects to take place but none have so she should be fine. She said to just watch her and if anything changes then to bring her in. It’s already been about 24 hrs and nothing has happened except seeing it in her stool last night. She is under high supervision and is acting perfectly normal. Thanks for your help. I will tell you how everything goes with watching her and if she has any treatment done.

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  33. worriedaboutmydog

    Hi. My dog ate one of those little bricks of rat poison and I’m really worried about what will happen to her. I couldn’t take her to the veterinarian because it was closed and too late to go. She pooped out a lot of the poison but ik that there is probably some still in her system. I also am kinda worried about the treatment because it will probably be expensive to give her the K1 shot. What should I do? Do you think she’ll live? And can you buy Vitamin K1 for dogs over the counter and not at the veterinarian so I don’t have to pay so much? Thanks

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Dear WorriedAboutMyDog, Please note that in the article I say, “Be afraid. Be very afraid.” I was serious when I wrote that, and I’m serious now. Your say your veterinarian was closed last night. He’s open now, so call and make arrangements to go see him. Tell him up front that you’re on a budget, and you want everything done that can be done within your budget. She ingested enough rat poison that you’re seeing it in the stool. That’s a LOT! She has absorbed much of it into her bloodstream and treatment must be begun RIGHT AWAY. Please stay in touch so that our readers and I may know how she’s doing.

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  34. cb

    Hello. I took my dog to veterinarian this morning as precaution. I was walking her last night and I think she ate somthing from a yard. Neighbors use pellets for mice in a burrow. I’m not sure if mice take poison from their burrow and run around with it or not. So she may have eaten a pellet? Dr. said she did not need blood test. Only gave her Vitamin K1 for 2 weeks. I s this enough treatment? She would not give me a 30 day supply. Should I buy K1 from over counter and give her 14 additional days to be safe? I would really appreciate an opinion on this. My dog’s doctor did not seem concerned enough to me. My dog is terrier 16 pounds. If she did eat any it would be 1 pellet.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Weezy, one pellet is one pellet too many, and can easily be fatal in a terrier-sized dog. I’m a little leery of over-the-counter sources of Vitamin K1. I would rather see you go back to the doctor, explain how concerned you are, and ask for an additional two weeks of Vitamin K1. It’s cheap “insurance.” The risk is nearly zero, whereas the benefit is extreme because there IS a possibility that she ate some poison. As you read in the post, modern rodenticides are incredibly lethal and the deadly effects can last a tremendously long time.

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  35. Delilah

    HELP ME DOC! MY CAT REALLY ATE A RAT POISON! I don’t know what to do. It’s midnight and the local veterinarians aren’t available. I heard rat poisons aren’t that deadly to cats but Blondie is just a baby so I thought it might kill her if I dont do anything. What should I do? Give her bananas or what?

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  36. MarissaB

    My German Shepherd ate a packet of rat poison 2 days ago. We immediately rushed her to the emergency veterinarian, and they did injections of Vitamin K1 as well as gave us pills to continue. However, I am concerned that they did not try to induce vomiting. Also, she is due for her next round of immunizations. I am wondering how long I should delay these to give her system time to recover.
    Thanks!

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Marissa, I can’t answer your question about not inducing vomiting. It is a standard approach, but they might have had some piece of the history that I don’t have that convinced them too much time had passed, or some other factor. As for the vaccination schedule, I would ask your local veterinarian, who knows her best, but, in general, if she’s doing well in a couple of weeks it should be OK to proceed. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  37. d

    Thank you so much for both your advice and your encouragement. I am still very worried but we are giving his Vitamin K1 to him and he seems to be just fine. My father-in-law comes home tomorrow or Friday, so we’ll just have to make sure he knows how important it is for him to keep giving him the pills. I am curious about something: I don’t think I have ever seen a bruise on a dog. I was wondering if there are pictures somewhere that show people so they know what they are looking for in these situations on the dog’s ears, tummy, gums and eyes? Thanks again so much.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      You pose an excellent question. I Googled “images for dog bruises,” but there were more photos of people bruises than dogs! Actually, I don’t see many bruises on dogs, but the next time I do see one I’ll photograph it so that there will be a good reference answer for your question. I’m so delighted that your father-in-law’s dog is doing well. Just remember as you’re telling him to give ALL the medicine and do ALL of the followups, quote from the article: “Be afraid. Be very afraid.” Thank you for the followup report, Dr. Randolph.

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  38. d

    We are house-sitting my father-in-law’s year-old dachshund. Last night he got behind a wall and my niece, who was right behind him, grabbed him, but she thought maybe she heard a bite and checked his mouth. He had a flake of green in his mouth which she took out. She looked behind the wall and there was a block of mouse poison. It must be very old cause we didn’t even know it was there and we have lived here for around 7 years. Anyway, my brother-in-law quickly made the dog vomit and the vomit had no poison in it; no green at all. The vomit did contain what was left in the dog’s stomach after his meal several hours earlier but nothing else, no green… nothing.
    About an hour later the kids came down and told my husband and me and we called the veterinarian and immediately took him in to the emergency service. Once there they gave him charcoal and an injection of vitamin K1, and a prescription of vitamin K for the next 30 days which we started today. We watched him for 24 hours and checked his ears, gums, tummy and nose with no bleeding.
    The veterinarian last night said that we should be okay after 24 hours if nothing showed up. Unfortunately tonight I thought I’d just make sure with them and called them to ask if we were in the clear as long as he was on his vitamin K pills but she (another veterinarian… apparently a different one was working tonight then last night) said that we weren’t in the clear yet and that we need to watch him for “clinical symptoms” even through Friday (another 3 days away).
    I am terrified that this dog is going to start bleeding. He is such a sweet dog. My kids just adore him, in fact we all do, and I don’t know what else I can do for him. I just had a hysterectomy two weeks ago, and we used all of our money for that. Now we are literally borrowing just for the dog’s prescriptions let alone his emergency bill. I can’t afford blood transfusions and more.
    Sorry I tend to go on and on, but my question is … How likely is it that we didn’t get it fast enough and that he is going to have more problems? I know that it’s not something that you can predict, but in your experience if a dog has a similar case to this one have you had the vitamin K not work? I don’t even know if you can answer this. Thanks for any advice you can give me. :) I appreciate it!

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Rest easy, D. As long as you follow your dog’s veterinarian’s instructions you have little to worry about. Indeed, I am very proud of you because you have done everything right. You induced vomiting quickly, you sought medical care right away, you have given your oral Vitamin K1 on schedule and you are vigilant during the crucial time after exposure. You have followed our advice to “be afraid, be very afraid.” Modern rodenticides are dangerous and they don’t give up quickly, thus the need for a minimum of 30 days of treatment. Continue to watch him carefully. The best areas to watch are the belly where little hair is and the inside of the ear where there is little hair. Whites of the eyes are also places that make it easy to see bleeding. Keep us posted on his progress.

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  39. rkhare

    Dear Doctor,
    My 4-1/2 month old lab bitch swallowed rat bait around 7 hours back. As I noticed that immediately, I induced vomiting around 15-20 minutes after she actually took it. I gave her 3 doses of spoonful of salt. After 1st dose she threw out all the solid food she had taken 2 hours prior to taking rat poison. After 2nd dose it was semi-liquid came out and after 3rd dose only watery substance was thrown out. In first 2 doses I saw lot of green substance confirming rat poison intake, however 3rd throwout was free of any green substance. I took her to a veterinarian thereafter (45 min after the intake) and he administered IV fluids along with many multivitamin injections. In all he may have administered 6-7 different drugs as antidotes + sedation to help us in administering IV fluid. I am in India so veterinarians here are not supposed to share medication details with families, so I am not sure about the medicines administered. He has also recommended us not to give any food (solid or liquid) or for that matter even water for next 12 hours.
    He has also given oral meds – which are betnesol, beplex forte and Vitamin C tablets for next 5 days.
    Do you think this is enough or I need to do more?

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  40. Dolores Trevino Post author

    Just an update on my cat. We got home and he was fine, thankfully. He was showing no signs of bleeding anywhere and he was mischievous as always. We are hoping he didn’t eat any of the poison but we will continue his treatment for the next 6 weeks just in case. Thank you so very much for your help.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Thank you for the update, Dolores! We are delighted that he’s doing well. You have demonstrated a very important principle of rodenticide treatment: if there is any chance of ingestion treatment must be continued until finished, even if there are no clinical signs.

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  41. Dolores Trevino Post author

    Our cat might have eaten rat poison but we are not sure. It was during the night, that day we took her to the veterinarian and she was given a Vitamin K injection. She was put on Vitamin K daily for 6 weeks. We gave the 1st dose but had to go out of town for 2 days. She will not come out of hiding for anyone. Is it vey dangerous if she misses a dose? Maybe in her water? Thanks so much.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Dolores, notice that our first post on rodenticides begins with the words, “Be afraid. Be very afraid.” Rodenticide poisoing is a life-and-death matter. Without her medication she will surely die if she has, indeed, ingested a modern rat poison. Do whatever you have to do to get hold of her and administer her medication. Putting it in her drinking water will not suffice. You have no way to measure the necessary concentration, ensure that she’s drinking at all, know how much she drinks at one time, etc. There are a million variables. If necessary, capture her and deliver her to your veterinarian’s office for hospitalization until the treatment period is over. Please keep us up to date on how she progresses. Our readers and I will be on the edge of our seats to hear. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  42. maria

    Doctor, My11-year-old had 20 teeth pulled and he doesn’t want to eat. He drips a lot saliva. He is very, very uncomfortable. What should I do? Thank you.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Maria, we know that healing is slowed by pain, so we want as much of the pain eliminated as we safely can. If your pet’s doctor dispensed pain medication, use it according to the label instructions. If not, call your veterinarian first thing Monday morning and ask about pain medication(s) that will be safe and effective. Please keep us posted on his progress. Where are you located?

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  43. Melissa

    When I went to sleep Monday night my cat Orion was his normal playful self. The next morning (Tuesday) he was not at the door waiting for me like usual. I didn’t see him again until Tuesday evening around 5 and his pupils were larger than normal. He didn’t respond to me, he just wanted to lay under the van. He couldn’t stand up. He seemed disoriented and his breathing was different. I rushed him to the hospital and they said he ingested something toxic. Blood was found in his urine and feces. Blood was starting to fill the whites of his eyes. His glucose was really low. Also the Dr. said that when he tried (or did, I’m not sure) to put the I.V. In Orion’s neck he didn’t bleed but had bled everywhere else on his body. What could have he ingested to cause this? They couldn’t save him, my poor Orion died. The doctor was great, but he said whatever he ingested was progressive and a step ahead of them. I just need to know what could possibly of happend to him. I would be truly grateful for any insight. My husband was thinking antifreeze but from what I read the symptoms are not the same. Thank you.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      There are many reasons for bleeding problems to occur. You read one about rodenticides (rat poisons). Click here to read another. These are the most common “poisons” that cause failure to clot in dogs and cats. However, AITP is an autoimmune condition that is not uncommon. Click here to read about AITP. In addition, there are other causes of bleeding dyscrasias, some inherited. We sympathize with the loss of your Orion. Click here to read about the grieving process. In sympathy, Dr. Randolph.

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  44. Rachita

    Hello Dr. Randolph, Firstly, thank you for taking the time to maintain this website. My 3 year old pug mix was diagnosed with rat poisoning a day and a half ago and reading other people’s experiences on this site have been immensely helpful. One of the things I am curious about is the general prognosis of rat poisoning if treatment is provided swiftly. I am currently out of town and my dog is with my parents. I was told that she had been coughing/hacking for about 24 hours and then eventually started coughing blood. A trip to the ER revealed blood in her lungs and a subsequent diagnosis of rat poisoning. She was immediately administered Vit K and put in an oxygenated chamber to help with the breathing. After this, she was given a plasma transfusion which lasted about 4 hours. She has been in the hospital overnight and when I spoke with the veterinarian this morning, she told me that her PT time was significantly better (down to about 17 seconds as opposed to “off the charts” when she had been brought in). Overall, she seems to be doing better and was able to walk to go pee (no blood in urine). I understand that a month-long regimen of Vit K and antibiotics needs to be carefully administered to her. However, I want to know if all of this could cause permanent damage to her internal organs. Do most dogs that recover, do so completely and without any long-term residual symptoms? In addition, do any precautions need to be taken when she is taken back home and is with her sister (who is healthy, no ingestion of poisoning).
    Thanks again for all your efforts here!

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  45. Alicia

    My 13 week old puppy ingested rat poison at my in-laws’ house last week. My mother-in-law did not tell me he did because she wasn’t sure. A few days ago he started getting really sick so I took him to the veterinarian and that is where we found out it was rat poison. He almost died. After a blood transfusion and IV fluids he is doing better and was sent home. We were instructed to give a Vitamin K pill twice daily for 7 days. The veterinarian didn’t say anything about taking him back for further testing. Is this something that should be done?

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  46. r jolley

    We discovered our 52 lb Lab eating rat poison. We induced vomiting within 10 minutes. Went to emergency veterinarian and they gave us a 14 day supply of Vitamin K. No shot. This was 3 days ago. Does she need a Vitamin K shot?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      No, an injection is not necessary, as long as you are giving the oral medication on schedule. I usually begin treatment with an injection simply because it gets the treatment process started faster. However, you did all the right things. My only potential concern is 14 days of treatment. I usually treat for 30 or more days because new-generation rodenticides can cause bad effects that long. You have three options: 1, go with the treatment your local doctor has recommended, probably based on the speed with which you induced vomiting. 2, Ask for an additional two weeks of Vitamin K. 3, Ask for blood tests to be performed soon after the 14 days of medicine is finished. Thanks for reading, Dr. Randolph

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  47. sarah

    Hi, 6 days ago I discovered my cats eating a blue cat of rat poison that apparently came with the apartment we rented (and that we had no idea was there). Luckily I saw them eating it, threw it away, looked it up on the Internet, figured out it was poison and rushed them to the emergency veterinary clinic. At the time one cat (will call boy cat) vomited and blue pieces were found, the other cat (will call girl cat) resisted vomiting and had her stomach pumped, and no pieces or coloring of rat poison. They were given charcoal, vitamin K shots and stayed at the hospital for 24 hours and then had their blood coagulation levels checked, everything seemed ok. A day after we got them back from the hospital, the boy cat was acting weird so I took him back in, the veterinarian thought that he seemed fine and we ran another coagulation test that also turned out normal. Today I took them both back in for the follow-up coagulation test just to double check and give them a clean bill of health and both of their coagulation levels are way above average in the dangerous zone and the boy cat’s cit-PT levels were 47 seconds. Now I’m not sure what this all means and I just want to know the likelihood of my cats surviving this ordeal and just want to prepare myself to make horrible decisions to spare them pain. Hopefully this is less serious than I think. Any input please.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Sarah, 47 seconds is a quite long prothrombin time. You may have to prepare yourself for a transfusion or two to transfer clotting factors from a blood donor to your kitty, along with intensive care medication. I wouldn’t worry about suffering, a few sticks, a few days of feeling blah, as long as he responds to treatment any suffering is minimal. There may be some component of suffering to your checking account, as intensive care, transfusions and repeat testing can add up, but what better way to spend your money than on the love of one of these little babies? I’m sorry that this happened and our readers and I will be on the edge of our seats to know how they come around. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  48. Erik Reynolds

    My 8 year old Jack Russell (15 lbs) ate one or two very small rat poison pellets 3 days ago. We could not get her to vomit at the time she ate them but were able to get her to a veterinarian and started on Vitamin K capsules the next day. She is showing no outward signs of any problems but we are still very concerned. It has been 3 days now and we have a 10 day supply of Vitamin K from the veterinarian. What should our next steps be to insure our dog’s health? Do we need to follow up with our local veterinarian? is 3 days enough time to show signs?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Good for you, Erik, you did all the right things. If you re-read the post you will note that most modern rodenticides require 30 days or more of treatment. The only way around that is to have clotting tests done toward the end of your current round of treatment and ensure that they are normal, then repeat them weekly. Did you see your dog pass any green material, or material that looked like rat poison in the stool? As your dog was asymptomatic at the time of beginning of treatment he should be fine as long as he has sufficient treatment and/or testing to be sure he’s covered. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph. PS: Thanks for setting a great example for pet care!

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  49. michelle gledhill

    oh also we have been told later on that my neighbour has put rat poison down in her garden i mentioned this to the veterinarian and he said it was not this as it does not affect the kidneys like hers had been affected but had asked me on the first hand if she could have ingested anything such as a foreign object or anything chemical or poisonous as you can see its very confusing thanks again michelle she is also shaking her head alot when drinking i dont know if this fact helps but she stands staring at her water takes afew slurps while shaking her head, goes away then goes back to it then does the same all over again

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Michelle, I had the thought after I answered your first post that you should try to ask your neighbor whether she still has the packaging for the rat poison she used. If it is a calcitriol analog it could be a factor in your dog’s problem, as these poisons can cause kidney damage from elevated vitamin D and calcium levels. If you’re not sure take the package to your veterinarian.
      Best wishes and please keep us posted,
      Dr. Randolph

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  50. michelle gledhill

    Hi, my 8 yr old labrador was diagnosed with kidney disease. A fortnight ago we caught her in the nextdoor neighbours garden -but thought nothing of it. She got very ill very quickly and collasped. Saturday morn I phoned the veterinarian out as an emergency. He came looked at her said she looked very poorly, took some blood, her temp and listened to her heart and went away saying they would test the blood and be in touch. I got a call later on that day saying she needed to go to the surgery to stay as she was very dehydrated and needed IV fluids ASAP. I took her down and got a call a day later saying she had made it through the night which he was surprised about and they had run further tests and she was suffering from kidney disease. He kept her on IV fluids for a further 2 days then sent me home with my dog with these instuctions with us taking her off the fluids she may go down hill again. If she does you know where we are. She still wasn’t eating so I called the veterinarian again to be told she should have been put on ‘special food’ which she had to order. Another 2 days passed before the food arrived. She ate it for about a week but now she is not eating again and I am frightened of losing my lovely dog. I was not told if I could mix this food with anything else to make it more inviting to her. I put a chopped-up apple with it but she just picks the apple pieces out and leaves the ‘special food ‘ in her dish. Please can you tell me what exactly can I feed my dog and which food should I avoid giving her? I really am at a loss and am scared of having to sit and watch her either starve herself to death or die from kidney disease. I have not even been told anything about having to flush her system out myself using subcutaneous fluids at home. I read it on the Internet. Should I be doing this and why wasn’t I told this from my veterinarian? Is there truth in the words about commercial dog food not been good for our animals? If so where do I find out how to produce a specific diet at home for her? I am waiting with bated breath. Please answer my post. I am at my wits’ end. Thank you Michelle xxxx

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Michelle, I can only assume that your pet is on a special diet that is low in protein for kidney patients. Many kidney patients need to be on IV fluid therapy for an extended period. If your pet’s doctor has done that for a period he thinks is long enough the next step is probably where you are now: determining how she will do without exogenous fluids. You can ask him if he is comfortable with you administering SQ fluid therapy at home. Some doctors are, some are not, which may explain why he didn’t offer that at first. You also have the option to have your dog transferred to the care of a board-certified veterinary internist, who may treat her more aggressively. Ask your doctor about a formula for a home-cooked diet that might be more palatable. I have complete cofidence in GOOD QUALITY commercial diets, though there are some bad, cheap foods on the market. Keep us posted on how she progresses. It sounds as if he has adequately ruled out rat poison as a factor. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  51. maria

    How much time is there from when a dog shows signs of rodenticide poisoning is there for vitamin k treatment to be administered? Our 2 yr old Jack Russell was found coughing up blood and exhibiting signs of difficulty breathing. We immediately rushed her to the veterinary hospital, where they began running tests. her x-rays showed significant amounts of fluid (blood) in her lungs and esophagus. They ran more tests and placed her in an oxygenated chamber, which made her stable and allowed her to breathe comfortably. When we were told we could leave, she was stable. her red blood cell count was normal and she was still breathing comfortably, although still had blood coming from her nostrils. When we left, they told us they thought about starting vitamin k treatment, but that they were going to run more tests and wait for those. What they did know was that her blood was not coagulating and thus she was hemorrhaging. Rodenticide was on their list but they did not move forward with vitamin k. Is there a reasonable reason not to move forward with this treatment anytime rodenticide might be a possibility?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      The answer to your first question cannot be answered because it varies from patient to patient. In cases of known rodenticide poisoning we like to administer Vitamin K1 as soon as possible. The second most common condition to cause bleeding like you described is discussed in this article: http://www.mypetsdoctor.com/dog-cat-autoimmune-diseases . I know of no contraindication to use Vitamin K1 when the diagnosis is not yet clear, but there may be some possiblities I don’t know of. How is your dog now? Dr. Randolph.

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  52. Lottie

    Can ingestion of rat poison have a long-lasting effect? My now 6-year old dog ate rat posion 2 years ago. She was bleeding everywhere and we rushed her to the veterinarian. She received an emergency blood transfusion from a healthy donor. Within the last year, she started with allergies which have gotten much much worse recently. We’ve tried to treat with medication, cream, baths and I’ve changed her food, laundry detergent, etc. Her skin is now so bright red that you can see it through her fur and she is always scratching and biting herself. Is it possible that maybe one of her organs were damaged and this is now affecting her health? I love my dog but I hate seeing her suffer and I can’t afford the extra tests that the veterinarian suggested prior to the symptoms getting worse.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Fortunately, Lottie, allergies and rodenticides are not related. You can read more about allergies here: http://www.mypetsdoctor.com/atopy-or-atopic-dermatitis-in-dogs , as well as a number of other posts on the blog. Food allergy is another common allergy that causes dogs to be really miserable, and you can read about it here: http://www.mypetsdoctor.com/food-allergy-diagnosis-by-food-trial . While testing is sometimes needed for further treatment of some allergies, most can be controlled by medications, even though sometimes the medications we need to control really bad allergies can have some side effects. Still, side effects are not as bad as being miserable. In addition, medications with side effects can be used while you save for further testing that later might allow your pet to be off the medications with side effects. Here are some tips for saving: http://www.mypetsdoctor.com/dog-cat-piggy-bank . Ask your pet’s doctor whether it is worthwhile to treat your dog symptomatically for Scabies: http://www.mypetsdoctor.com/scabies-sarcoptic-mange-dog . Soothing medicated shampoos can be helpful, too, though you may need to try a couple of them before you hit on one that helps the most. Please keep us posted so that we may know how your dog progresses. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  53. jaz

    I came home to my two miniature Dachshunds standing over a chewed-up mouse poison box. I called for a ride to the emergency veterinarian and Googled how to induce vomiting. My one dog, Shiloh, that is a little bit fatter and the alpha, vomited up green/blue and some half-digested pellets. The other vomited up normal food/phlegm.

    We get to the emergency clinic and they give us two syringes of charcoal to feed Shiloh immediately and 8 hours after. And say we should go to our normal veterinarian for a blood test (for both just in case the other had ingested a small amount as well) in TWO days and they might need to follow up with a vitamin K treatment.

    Shiloh threw up the first syringe about an hour after ingesting it. Would it still have its full effect? The second one stayed down fine.

    Would waiting 2 days be too long?? Why wouldn’t they give the treatment regardless now? My veterinarian also said two days is fine because it won’t show up in the blood test anyway. Should she still be ok once treatment proceeds?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Please go to this page and bookmark it, so you will have the correct method of making your dogs vomit, should the need arise in the future: http://www.mypetsdoctor.com/correct-method-of-making-your-dog-vomit . I usually start treatment right away, then test as needed, but there are multiple ways to approach this toxin. In the test, the rat poison doesn’t actually show up, it’s a test for checking whether coagulation (clotting) has been affected. Stay on top of your veterinarian’s recommendations and watch closely for evidence of bleeding in the urine, stool, gums, whites of the eyes and on the skin of the lower abdomen. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  54. Lori

    I am wondering how long after being given a Vitamin K shot will you notice a difference with your cat. I found my cat under a tree 24 hrs ago (he had been missing for 2 nights). He was lethargic and obviously in pain. When I brought him home he tried to throw up and couldn’t so I gave him some water with a syringe and he threw up large amounts 2x (the green color that some have described). He then urinated blood and I rushed him to the veterinarian. They ran tons of tests on him but did not give him Vitamin K until 24 hrs after I found him…they aren’t 100% convinced it is poisoning (as they don’t have the tests necessary to confirm this). He is now home with me and is still in obvious pain and now has bruising from where the doctor pressed on his stomach. I have the Vitamin K pills and will start with them tonight. I can’t tell if he’s better or worse and wonder how long before you notice a positive response from the initial Vitamin K shot. And should I continue to feed him with a syringe or let him decide when he’s ready to eat? Thanks for your input. My family is devastated and heartbroken to see him in so much pain.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Lori, there are SO many factors that influence the answer to this question: How much blood loss occurred prior to beginning anticoagulant therapy? Is the diagnosis correct (or is the bleeding from a bleeding dyscrasia instead of rodenticide, as might have been suspected initially)? Is the patient properly supported after beginning anticoagulant therapy (fluids, correction of dehydration, maintenance of proper electrolyte balance, is a transfusion needed, are platelets needed, control of secondary problems, etc.)? As with a well patient, sick patients need to eat, too. If everything is not going according to plan he will need to be rushed back to the veterinarian.

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  55. Jeanine

    I took Elvis back a day early to the local nationwide veterinarian’s chain hospital. Because I was concerned about the rashes and sores that he started getting a few days ago. And it was time to recheck his ALT and Coagulation Profile. They told me he had to stay the day and that I could pick him up this afternoon. I picked him up and was not able to speak directly with the doctor. I had to ask questions through the receptionist. I was told that the test would be back in a week and they would let me know the results and that we were free to go. I asked did the doctor prescribe anything for his rash and sores. The receptionist had to go ask the doctor and she came back and said the doctor wasn’t concerned about them and to just put Neosporin on it. I am unsure whether this would be harmful for him, because he keeps biting and licking at the spots. Should I assume that ingesting Neosporin is not dangerous for a dog? I then told the receptionist that I had done some research about rat poison and found a very good article by a veterinarian that stated that the new rat poisons can stay in the body for up to thirty days. So could I purchase another 14 days of Vitamin K, because it would be a week before the test would come back? I would rather be safe than sorry. The receptionist went back again to ask the doctor. The way I interpreted the receptionist’s reply from the doctor was that she doesn’t take much stock in an Internet article. And that he didn’t need any more Vitamin K, he would be just fine and that I just needed to keep a watch on him if he starts to bleed out. The doctor had called Sartin’s Drugs in Gulfport when we initially took him in about making Elvis a 30mg vitamin K tablet, because she said the 25 mg was not enough for his size. But after they told her the price, she said we would just use the 25 mg. I know you said in an earlier response that over-the-counter vitamin K would not work. But I am desperate; I cannot just sit by and wait to see if he might bleed out. I am confused by the doctors lack of concern over a life-threatening event, when over a month ago, when we took him in because one of his anal sacs had became abscessed. And that is the same day she did the CBC and found that his ALT was elevated. And immediately she worked up orders for him to have an ultrasound, X-rays and a liver biopsy. His ALT had never been elevated before that time. And also telling us that we need to go to the optimum wellness monthly plan. And pushing that he needed a liver biopsy. My daughter asked if was there another route that we could check first, before doing such an invasive procedure and the doctor decided she would see how he did on the Adenosyl 225 mg for month and then retest. After reading your article today on your dog Peyton and how you handled his liver enzyme elevations over a two month period and then called your friend about a liver biopsy. I have serious concerns about the last month events. You may never answer my post, but Elvis has been a part of our small family since he was 3 weeks old. And there is nothing we wouldn’t do for him. We would be so grateful.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Jeanine, how about if you call Doctor Number One and simply ask her to refill two more weeks of Vitamin K1. If she won’t do that then call me. I will send you contact information via e-mail. Dr. Randolph.

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  56. Ann

    My 7 pound Dachshund ate several small bites of blue rat poison. We called the veterinarian immediately and were told to give hydrogen peroxide. She started vomiting within a minute or so. I noticed several pieces of blue in her vomit. The veterinarian said that if she started vomiting that she should be fine. She suggested to let her rest the rest of the night. Is the vomiting enough? I saw her eat the rat poison in front of me and then gave her the hydrogen peroxide. Would she still need vitamin K treatment? Thanks

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  57. Jeanine

    Also, Elvis is seven years old, weighs 28 pounds. His mother was a dachshund, dad unknown. When my daughter got him, he was so small, but had huge feet and the color red like an old hound dog we once had. I told her he was nothing but a hound dog. And when trying to come up with a name, he was running around and we noticed he kept lifting up his upper right lip. And so the name Elvis was a perfect fit with the lip and hound dog feet.

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  58. Jeanine

    On April 19, our dog (Elvis) ingested blue cake rat poison at a storage rental facility where we store some of our belongings. We got him to the veterinarian’s office within 40 minutes. First they administered hydrogen peroxide emetic, he never vomited. He was given a Vitamin K injection of 10mg/ml. They inserted an IV Catheter and administered Normosol. And then last gave him Toxiban Susp (no Sorbitol). I was to give him Vitamin K 25mg tablets for 14 days and bring him back for a Coagulation Profile after he has been off the Vitamin K tablets for three days. That night he pooped out the first of the blue rat poison and then the next day after two other poops of blue and black charcoal, it was back to normal. I have been monitoring ever time he urinates and poops and checking him for any bruises or bleeding. Two days ago he started scratching at his belly and under his front legs and biting himself. He has developed a rash, could this be from the rat poison? He was giving a flea treatment about a week ago, Frontline. That is what we always use. I bathed him this morning and after his bath I applied Sulfodene for hot spots on the affected areas. He has not been scratching and biting at the areas most of the day. Also, he was taking Adenosyl 225 mg for his liver. Before the rat poison incident his blood profile showed his liver enzyme at 325 and the doctor put him on Adenosyl for 30 days. Could the Vitamin K and Adenosyl be causing the rash? He finished the Adenosyl on Sunday and took the last Vitamin K this morning. And has a doctor’s appointment for this Friday, May 7th. After Googling for the 100th time on rat poison, I came across your article. I am so glad I did, I thought Elvis was in the clear since he had no systems for 2 weeks. I had no idea that it could affect him for 30 days or more. And I am concerned about him being taking off the Vitamin K after just 14 days and then waiting for three days before doing the Coagulation test. Could he start bleeding out in those three days? I am a firm believer in getting a second opinion for humans and animals, when it is life-threatening. So any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Also I live about 40 minutes from Long Beach, MS.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Dear Jeanine: It is highly unlikely that the rash is coming from the Adenosyl OR the Vitamin K. As you are seeing the doctor today he should be able to address that and you can let us know what the cause is. Testing today should be fine, even a few days off medication. Please update us on the outcome of today’s test.
      Best wishes, Dr. Randolph

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  59. Nicole

    I also took my 2yr old pit/lab mix in to the veterinarian because her left eye was very bloodshot; she had green eye discharge. The veterinarian gave us some ophthalmic cream to put in her eyes. She’s been feeling fine, but should I have her tested to make sure she has ingested any rat poison? We’re not sure if the puppy got into it here at our house, or if he may have gotten into it right before we got him. Just want to be sure I’m covering all the bases here.

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  60. Nicole

    I have a 13 week old pit bull puppy. I’ve had him for a little over a week. I was given him on a Sunday and took him to the veterinarian on that following Wednesday to get his shots. I noticed a bump on his head, the veterinarian checked it out and said it was probably just a trauma bump from playing with my two year old pit/lab mix. She said to just let it go and it would go away on its own. On Thursday the bump had gone down a little bit but the top of his head was kinda squishy. I called the veterinarian, she said it was just him bump dissipating. Friday the swelling had gotten bigger, the veterinarian said to try Benadryl to see if maybe he was bit by a bug. Saturday the swelling was still increasing. I called the veterinarian several times was told that it was going to go away it’s nothing to worry about. Sunday the swelling on his head is about two inches high, by this time I was freaking out. It didn’t look normal and why would it be growing if it was healing? So first thing Monday I took him into the veterinarian. She lanced his head saying it was a hematoma; it needed to be drained, she put a bandage on it and told me to take the bandage off the following day. While at the veterinarian my puppy urinated on the floor, there was a little bit of blood in his urine and she said his bladder was traumatized from wrestling with my other dog and prescribed amoxicillin. Took him home, he threw up his food. Called the veterinarian she said he was just tired and sick from having his little head cut open to just let him sleep. Tuesday I took his bandage off, his head proceeds to bleed profusely. I couldn’t get it to stop so I rushed him to the veterinarian, they replaced the bandage. I live 4 minutes from the veterinarian. In the time frame it took me to drive him home his head had bled so much it soaked the new bandage, I took him back. They kept him over night. Today I went in to pick him up, he had a new bandage and an E Collar to keep him from scratching it off. Once again drove home, the bandage was soaked in blood; there was blood everywhere. I immediately took him back. They ran some blood tests, and discovered he’s severly anemic and it bleeding internally. She believes he ingested rat poison. He’s hooked up to an IV, has had blood transfusions and was given the Vitamin-K shot. I just wanna know if he’s gonna survive. He was a gift from my fiance who left for the Navy. He’s a trouper but I’m terrified. :(

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Nicole, as I’m sure you know, there is no way for US to answer the question about your puppy’s survival, BUT the clotting tests your veterinarian is running to determine his response to treatment WILL be able to prognose him. The vast majority of rodenticide poisoning victims survive if treatment is instituted quickly. With medication and blood transfusions it sounds as if he is on the right track. Please keep us posted, we will pray for him and you.

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  61. Michelle

    My dog ate rat poison 3 and a half days ago. There is no blood in her urine or stool, but she does have red bruises/patches on her stomach. She is still eating and drinking like normal most of the time, but at times loses her appetite. Both back legs were very swollen, but one has completely gone down now. She also has a swollen tummy. We have been giving her vitamin tablets with a high vitamin k supply and liver detox tablets. I should have reacted quicker, will the detoxing tablet and vitamin k supliments help her?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Michelle, I assume by your wording that you are using an over-the-counter vitamin supplement. Your pet needs pharmaceutical levels of Vitamin K1, which you will need to see a veterinarian for. The “swollen tummy” probably indicates bleeding inside the abdominal cavity and the “red bruises/patches on her stomach” are definite evidence of bleeding under the skin. I’ll be honest with you: your baby is in trouble. She needs to have immediate and aggressive medical care. I’m saying a prayer for her now. Please write back and keep us posted, Dr. Randolph.

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  62. Samantha

    On Tuesday my father-in-law noticed that his dog was missing, which is a blue heeler/Rottweiler mix, very large dog. So when I went to find him, I followed his cough and found him under a old van. He wouldn’t come out, that was at noon on Tuesday. Around 3:30 I went to check on him and the other dog, which is a Great Pyrenees and he was very sick also. He was breathing hard and bleeding from his nose. My son told me on Monday Jake had been bleeding from his nose and though he had been fighting. My father-in-law who is 79, thought they had Distemper, and I did too at first, with the heeler coughing as he was, but I also knew something more was going on because they both were sick at the same time and Jake was breathing so hard and fast. The veterinarian came yesterday and said he thinks they had been into rat poision. My father-in-law asked him, if a rat ate the poison and the dog ate the rat could this happen, because he does have rat problems and keeps the rat killer inside the home. But we know in fact both dogs had been slipping off to neighbors’ homes after a female dog. Today Teddy, the blue heeler, is doing great, eating and drinking. The veterinarian says he thought Teddy had pneumonia. Jake is still bleeding about the same. The veterinarian gave 3 shots a piece and vitamin K pills 5 a day for Jake and 4 a day for Teddy. Jake is our biggest concern, he doesn’t want to drink or eat, this is going on day 4 if you count from Monday when my son first saw the blood. Will the vitamin K pills do the trick? Should we try certain foods? I am taking syringes and giving him water like that. How long would this take the bleeding to stop? The veterinarian called this morning and thought Jake would have passed away. Is their more we can do at home to help him? Thanks!

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Samantha, it sounds as if Jake is going to need a transfusion in order to have enough blood to survive, until medication can help the bleeding to stop so he can hold on to his own blood. It is entirely possible that he may have other organ damage, too, and that can best be determined by your pet’s doctor performing the blood tests “chemistry profile” ( http://www.mypetsdoctor.com/at-the-laboratory-with-my-pets-doctor-chemistry-profile-i ) and CBC (Complete Blood Count) ( http://www.mypetsdoctor.com/at-the-laboratory-with-my-pet%e2%80%99s-doctor-complete-blood-count ). Modern rodenticides are extremely aggressive, and extremely aggressive treatment is required to overcome them. Keep in touch and let us know how both dogs are doing. Best wishes, Dr. Randolph.

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  63. Lynn

    Forgot to mention–he also had a large lump on his neck near the jaw area when they took him to the hospital. They thought that he had been bitten by something. The lump is gone after initial hospitalization treatment and the treatment with Vit K1.

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  64. Lynn

    The dog we plan to adopt finished his Vitamin K1 treatment. He was treated for 14 days. On the 15th day he had blood and fecal tests. The blood tests were good and the fecal test was negative. He never showed any signs of bleeding. He appears perfectly healthy now with normal behavior. He was initally taken to the hospital because he was lethargic and vomiting. Blood tests showed that his blood was not clotting and thus he was treated for ingestion of rat poison. The owners have no idea how or when he was exposed to it. The length of treatment was not as long as you have recommended, so we are a little concerned. Do you think this treatment was sufficient, and would you think it is OK to go ahead with the adoption at this time? Since they don’t know when/how the dog was exposed to rat poison, we’re wondering whether any other underlying medical condition might have caused the blood not to clot?
    We appreciate your opinion and advice.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Thank you for the update, Lynn. I would proceed with the adoption, make an appointment with my veterinarian, and ask him to prescribe another two weeks of Vitamin K1 therapy. There are simply too many new-generation rodenticides that can have lasting effects beyond two weeks, the treatment will be a reasonable cost, and you don’t want to have to face the crisis of a relapse. Yes, there are other conditions that can cause clotting abnormalities, but most are genetic and would not have responded to Vitamin K1 therapy. Thank you for “doing the right thing” and adopting, Dr. Randolph.

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  65. Lynn

    If a dog responds favorably to the Vit K treatment, are there any long-term health issues related to rat poisoning? We were in the process of adopting a dog and he ate rat poison before we got him. He is being treated now with Vitamin K1. We are now concerned about adopting a dog that could have future health issues related to the rat poisoning. Please advise.

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  66. Benjamin

    I’m pretty sure my 3 month old Yorkie terrier ate 1 small tablet of rat poison today, but he’s not showing any signs of it. I made him drink lots of mineral water was that the right thing to do? What should I do if he doesn’t show any signs of pain and discomfort?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      I quote from our article on rodenticide poisoning: “If your pet is in any way exposed to modern rat poisons it is a medical emergency that you cannot put off.” No, mineral water was not the right thing to do. Going STRAIGHT to your veterinarian is the right thing to do. As that was midnight Saturday night, about two and one half days ago, he has fully processed the poison and will require treatment, even if he is not yet symptomatic. “Pain and discomfort” are NOT signs of rodenticide poisoning! Further, you don’t want to WAIT. If you are at work now, beg your boss if you have to but get off work and take your pet to the veterinarian NOW. Call ahead to let them know you are coming and what the problem is.

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    2. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      I quote from our article on rodenticide poisoning: “If your pet is in any way exposed to modern rat poisons it is a medical emergency that you cannot put off.” No, mineral water was not the right thing to do. Going STRAIGHT to your veterinarian is the right thing to do. As that was midnight Saturday night, about two and one half days ago, he has fully processed the poison and will require treatment, even if he is not yet symptomatic. “Pain and discomfort” are NOT signs of rodenticide poisoning! Further, you don’t want to WAIT. If you are at work now, beg your boss if you have to but get off work and take your pet to the veterinarian NOW. Call ahead to let them know you are coming and what the problem is.
      PLEASE write back and let us know how your puppy is,
      I’m saying a prayer for him now.
      Best wishes,
      Dr. Randolph

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  67. ashlee

    My 6 year old Chihuahua walked into a closet for 10 seconds before I got her out. There was a powdered type rodent poison in there. I certainly saw no signs of her eating any as it was only 10 seconds. 48 hours after she stated to shake and didn’t act herself. We took her to the Veterinarian and she said she looked just fine and showed no signs of distress…besides a upset tummy. We have put her on the Vitamin K pill for 30 days just to be safe. I understand symptoms can still arise from reading this post. If she does develop symptoms from the poison, what are survival chances since we didn’t even start treatment until 48 hours after the consumption?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Ashlee, it’s unlikely that your Chihuahua will have difficulty after 30 days of treatment, even though some rodenticides can cause problems this long after ingestion. That you started treatment 48 hours after ingestion is no longer a concern. If she were going to have problems from that factor it would have already shown up. Simply continue to watch the skin, eyes, urine and stool for evidence of bleeding, and she should be fine! You’ve done a good job!

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  68. Lorinda

    Dr. Randolph, I have a wonderful 8 year old 75 pound female Rottweiler. She has been in excellent health. She has made the trip back and forth to Africa with me several times. We have been living in Africa for most of the past 8 years. About 10 days ago, she began bleeding profusely from her nose. I took her to the veterinarian who thought that maybe it was the dry season that was provoking the problem. I found that hard to believe because of the amount of blood, but that was was my best hope for help, I thought. They gave her two injections and said to return the next day for another. Neither injection was Vitamin K. The bleeding diminished that night but began again the next morning. Again, it was profuse. The veterinarian again gave the injection and then said that they thought it would be better if I were to give her an anti-hemmorhage medication (pills twice daily) at home for 5 days rather than putting her in the car and driving her to the veterinarian each day – they have no facilities for hospitalizing animals. The bleeding didn’t stop and at times was quite profuse – she became a bit “shocky”. As I talked to friends, I wondered if she had inhaled some of the poison in the outside storage room where she had chased a cat. (Normally that room is closed and locked but I had gone in there to put something away) We use the poison against termites but I am fairly certain that it is a rodenticide as well. On the chance of that, I went to a local pharmacy and purchased Vitamin K 1 and began treatment. I also completed the 5 day treatment of the anti-hemmorhage medication (dicynone). We have gone without any nose bleeds for 1 week. Her gums are turning pink again, there are no signs of bleeding in her eyes or urine or stools. While her appetite isn’t quite normal, neither is her activity level. I am sure that she is quite anemic and we are working on that via diet as blood is not available for animals here. I am encouraged by how well she seems to be doing but I am wondering how long I should continue the Vitamin K treatment. What would be your recommendation? Thanks so much. I am so grateful that we seem to be on the road to recovery but don’t want to risk a relapse by discontinuing the Vitamin K treatment prematurely – I don’t think either of us would survive a reprisal of those 2-3 days.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Lorinda, allow me to make a list:
      1. What is the active ingredient in the termiticide? (it should be on the package)
      2. Just in case she got into a modern-generation rodenticide I would continue to Vitamin K for at LEAST 30 days. Some pets suffer from bleeding problems and require treatment even longer.
      3. Interesting that you can buy Vitamin K OTC in Africa, it is a prescription product here.
      4. It would be REALLY nice if we could have a PVC (packed cell volume), at least, and a bleeding panel if such is available from a laboratory there.
      5. While there are dozens of things that can cause bleeding, it sure sounds like you are on the right track.

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  69. Tessa

    My 8 month old kitten, Milo, ingested some mouse poison while we were out of town this past weekend. He somehow got locked in the basement without light, food, or water for 3 days and when we got home we immediately heard him crying. My fiance looked around and noticed that one of the bricks of poison was half eaten and there was a dead bat nearby the brick. We immediately took Milo to the emergency veterinarian last night, where they said he was dehydrated and appeared to have ingested some poison. The veterinarian gave him a Vitamin K shot and gave us 7 days worth of Vitamin K pills. I see on here that a lot of other owners were given 10-21 days worth of pills. Also, Milo is not eating much (almost no wet food) and I noticed some green stool in the litter box today. Is 7 pills going to do the trick? I know we’re supposed to look out for blood in his eyes, ears, and anus, but is it normal that he doesn’t have an appetite after starving for three days? He also didn’t excrete anything in the basement, so is the stool still green because he wasn’t able to defecate? When should the stool get back to normal?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Tessa, Milo is probably going to need a more in-depth workup to identify ALL of the problems he has, including blood and urine tests. I never treat rodenticide victims for less than 30 days with Vitamin K, and some patients need it for even longer. That he is passing green in his stool means that the poison was (and probably IS) in his system for a long time, so he ingested a lot of it AND it had a long time to have some really bad effects on his body. So, please:
      Ask for a more in-depth workup if he is still not eating.
      Ask for a longer term of oral Vitamin K.

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  70. Jean

    My 170 lb English Mastiff got into some rat poison while we were out of town. I was told to induce vomiting with hydrogen peroxide and she did vomit within 15-20 minutes after ingesting the poison. I took her on to the veterinarian (out of town) anyway and he induced vomiting again and there was no more rat poison in the vomitus. He gave her a shot of Vitamin K and pills to take for 3 weeks and said to follow up with her regular veterinarian once back home. What is the proper dosage for Vitamin K and can she develop toxicity to it? I read somewhere online that the dose should be 5 mg/kg. Is that correct? She is taking 2 pills twice a day. I am not sure if the pills are 25 mg each or 50 mg. If she vomited up all of the poison within 20 minutes of ingestion, is it necessary to continue taking Vitamin K for the full 3 weeks?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Thank you for some excellent questions, Jean.
      You did the right thing taking your pet to see the veterinarian despite vomiting poison, because we can never be sure how much is still in the body based on how much was produced in the vomitus.
      Because Vitamin K is water soluble, it is difficult to produce toxicity.
      I’ve never seen anything but 5 mg. tablets, but the strength of the medication ( http://www.mypetsdoctor.com/stronger-antibiotics ) should be on the label. If it’s not, call the dispensing veterinarian and ask him the strength.
      Is it necessary to finish the medication? Yes, because (see #1!) we can never be sure how much is still in the body based on how much was produced in the vomitus and modern rodenticides have no forgiveness.
      Please let us know how your Mastiff is doing and if you have any other questions,
      Best wishes,
      Dr. Randolph

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  71. Joelle

    My Lhasa Apso ventured downstairs after my husband didn’t tightly secure the gate and proceeded to eat a block of rat poison. We are renting a house and didn’t know there was rat poison downstairs. We immediately got to him within minutes of eating it and contacted the veterinarian. We induced vomiting with peroxide and was sure he vomited it all up. The next morning there was green in his stool, so, worried, we induced vomiting again and it seemed to be clear. He was very tired and even growled at me when I tried to pick him up that next day. And he NEVER growls or even barks. After that initial stool the rest have been normal and he received a Vitamin K shot at the vet. He goes back to get one more shot next week. He is more playful, eats normally, and more cuddly now. He seems to be back to his normal demeanor, but should I still worry? Are we out of the woods yet? He is only one year old and my little baby…so I am VERY worried and probably a little overprotective of him…which is why it hurts so much to know this could have been prevented!

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      That there was green in the stool indicates that rat poison had moved beyond the point in the gastrointestinal (GI) tract that vomiting could reach. When mammals vomit, they can empty only the stomach and maybe a little of the duodenum, the first section of small intestine after the stomach, if there is some reflux into the stomach. What comes out as stool is WAY beyond what vomiting can reach. A single injection of Vitamin K will last a day, and modern rodenticides can continue to trigger effects for up to a month. Your options are to continue oral treatment 4-6 weeks OR to have periodic clotting tests to determine whether there is anticoagulant activity going on. Your veterinarian can help you in deciding which course of action you would rather take. A vitamin K injection once a week assumes that there is little or no rodenticide left in the body, which doesn’t seem to jive with your observation of “green” in the stool. If he were my patient I would be more aggressive, unless there were more medical information that you haven’t given to me. Watch for spots or patches of blood in the whites of the eyes, the hairless side of the ears, the unhaired part of the tummy and in the gums. Watch his urine as he urinates, there should be no blood, ever. Watch his stool for signs of blood, there should never be any. Do that for another six weeks, closely, and take him in at the FIRST sign of any blood. After that you know you’re home free UNLESS he finds MORE rodenticide!

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  72. Crystal

    Thank you so much for the advice. We took Oscar back to the veterinarian today and all blood tests were normal. We are VERY happy. But now I am concerned. Do you think that 10 days on vitamin K is enough? He did give him a vitamin K shot at the first visit. Should I question the veterinarian?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      No, if the bleeding parameters were normal today, he should have little risk remaining. Watch for spots or patches of blood in the whites of the eyes, the hairless side of the ears, the unhaired part of the tummy and in the gums. Watch his urine as he urinates, there should be no blood, ever. Watch his stool for signs of blood, there should never be any. Do that for another month, closely, and take him in at the FIRST sign of any blood. After that you know you’re home free UNLESS he finds MORE rodenticide!
      Best wishes,
      Dr. Randolph

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  73. Crystal

    A week ago this evening my Dachshund ate rat poison. I immediately gave him hydrogen peroxide and made him vomit. I made a call to my local emergency veterinary clinic and was told that my bill would run about $400. I decided to wait it out until the morning since I believed that he vomited everything up. The next morning we rushed him to his regular veterinarian and all of his blood work came out good. They game him a vitamin K shot, an antibiotic shot and pills for both for 10 days. They told me to come back in a week for a follow up blood test. The next day my dog pooped out MORE rat poison. He seems to be 100% normal…thankfully. My question is do I REALLY need to take him back for a follow up blood test? Money is tight these days and I am not sure what to do. Advise please.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      YES, Crystal, you REALLY need to take him back for followup. It’s a good sign that his initial clotting factors test was normal, but I am concerned that passing more rat poison could indicate he’s still absorbing it, which would be a clear indication for longer therapy. With modern rodenticides, duration of activity can be a month or more, so he could be OK now, but start bleeding in a week or two if you don’t follow up. I know money is tight, it’s a tough economy, but modern rat poisons are just too deadly to take chances with.

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  74. Simon

    Greetings Dr Randolph, I had fogotten to get back in touch with you about this issue, very sorry that I have taken so long, i was looking though my emails and saw yours, and felt bad for not giving an update. It’s good news, we had both cats on a treatment of Vitamin K for a three weeks, and kept their movements to a minimum (which was not easy seeing as they were kittens!) but we kept them in thier carry cases and had them sleeping in our room in the evening to make sure that they were not running around, their blood flow then was kept to a minimum. Thank you for your advice, we went to the Vets the day after your advice and we were able to get the right vitamine k and advice off her. I would like to thank you again for your advice, you helped us save two very curious kittens!! They are now fit and healthy, we were one of the lucky ones. Regards,
    Simon Richards and Bertie and Dennis!

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  75. Simon Richards

    Hi. We left our two cats with my parents over the weekend and they somehow managed to get up onto the shelves and took a packet of rat poison from off the shelves. My mother found the poison on the floor and the cats by it. Well my mother took them to the veterinarian immediately and they induced vomiting (one of the cats vomited, the other didn’t) and we are now giving them the Vitamin K twice a day for three weeks. My girlfriend is very upset. The incident happened on Sunday morning (now Tuesday Morning) but we found that both their feces is green this morning, we rang the veterinarian again and understand that this is the green dye in the poison, so it looks like they ingested more that we managed to get them to vomit out. I suppose what I’m looking for is some sort of indication as to the chances of them surviving, they are taking the Vitamin K no problem orally and we are keeping them quiet and they seem themselves.
    Any help/reassurance would be greatly received as my partner is very worried (as am I).
    Regards
    Simon

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Simon, seeing green in the stool is an indication, as you rightly concluded, that the cats ate a LOT of poison that wasn’t vomited out. There may be more poison there than the amount of Vitamin K you can get into them orally can handle. That can easily be determined by testing bleeding times and clotting factors, so have them see your pet’s doctor first thing Wednesday morning (or tonight if there is blood in the stool or hemorrhage under the skin or in the whites of the eyes). Please keep us posted. All of our readers will be wanting an update, as do I. Dr. Randolph.

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  76. SHARON DAVIDS

    We just had our 1 year old Pekingese Nick pass away on January 3, 2010, we don’t know if he ingested rat poison but after taking him to emergency Veterinarian he had X-rays taken and he was shown to be bleeding internally. They sedated him. He never woke up. They let us take him home and said if he awoke and was worse to bring him back or go to our Veterinarian the next morning. He never made it and our loss is tragic. I feel the emergency veterinarian could have done more (but we didn’t have the money to cover it all) and so the price cost was our dear little pet! He will be missed greatly.
    Sharon Davids & William Calvert

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  77. Sarah

    My cat just recently found her way into my back-basement, where we keep the rat poison. I got her back upstairs and went down to check if she ate any, she didn’t. But I don’t know if she licked it or maybe took a small bite. I don’t think she would have done either, but there is a higher chance that she licked a piece of the poison. I understand that eating the poison would be dangerous, but is licking it dangerous as well?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Yes, Sarah, licking rat poison or ingesting it in ANY way can be dangerous. There is NO harm to properly treating a patient for rat poison exposure, even if there was none ingested. There IS danger is NOT getting treatment right away, OR having blood-clotting tests done to see if her clotting is normal. Either can be done by almost any veterinarian.

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  78. Gina

    I have been reading success story after success story for rodenticide. My veterinarian prescribed Tramadol. I just Googled it, and it specifically says when taking this medication to reduce any anticoagulant meds because results can be fatal. Could this have caused the bleeding? I feel very unsettled.

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  79. Gina

    My story does not have such a happy ending. Saffi, our 5 year old Golden Retriever, loves to visit neighbors and has been known to take off into the woods. She didn’t move Monday morning to eat her food. When she did eat, after much prompting, she vomited, very little food. I took her to veterinarian and X-rays showed a very full stomach but no blood anywhere. They sent us home. Three hours later I took her to an emergency center where they said it may be a possibility that she ingested rat poison and were willing to keep her overnight so she could have a CT scan in the morning. I already had an appointment with her regular veterinarian for 8 am the next day and chose to take her home. Unfortunately, the next morning, Saffi was not conscious. I took her back to the emergency clinic and she was “unstable”. Because she was so unresponsive, they really encouraged us to put her to sleep since damage was done to the brain, at this point. A neocropsy showed internal bleeding in her neck, chest and brain. I feel as though I let her down. I don’t know why they didn’t choose to test and/or treat her for rodenticide even with a tad of speculation. She was a healthy and beautiful dog. I’m devastated after reading all these articles, because I feel I brought her in as soon as I noticed her not eating, yet still wasn’t able to save her. This is a horrible, horrible tragedy.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Hi, Gina,
      The only reason I can come up with for prescribing Tramadol is that he perceived a pain syndrome to be present.
      Did the necropsy not show poison in the stomach? Of course, it’s entirely possible that it could have been long enough since the ingestion that all of the poison and its carriers were digested and no longer apparent.
      While guilt is part of the healing process in grief, you should not beat yourself up. As you read in our posts on rat poison, therapy has to be instituted quickly. Unfortunately the index of suspicion was not high for rodenticides in this case and there was a bad outcome.
      Did Tramadol play a part? I seriously doubt it. In fact, prior to you mentioning it I’d never seen or heard mentioned that as a complicating factor, probably because people are routinely on anticoagulants and dogs and cats rarely are.
      I’m so very sorry for your loss. I can tell by your story that you were very dedicated to your Golden and that you miss her terribly.
      May God bring healing for your grief,
      Dr. Randolph

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  80. Xandra

    My dog (pitbull) at some rat poison a few hours ago (12Midnight). I managed to make him vomit. Will it still be ok to wait until the morning to take him to the veterinarian? We do not have any emergency facilities for animals here in my country. What do I do for the meantime?

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  81. Crystal

    I didn’t realize that dogs love the taste of rat poison, but found out the hard way. My small dog got into a box of poison we had put behind some boxes in the garage. I just let her out of my sight for only 7-10 minutes when I noticed she was not at my heels. I called her name and she crawed from behind the boxes and was licking her mouth. I immediately remembered the poison. I opened her mouth but didn’t see any traces (green coloring), so I moved the boxes to see if the poison was still there. My heart fell when I saw the empty poison box. I called the emergency veterinary clinic and was instructed to induce vomiting. After 20 minutes, she had not vomited so we headed to the veterinarian. On the way, she did vomit and all I remember seeing was the green color and some of the pellets. At the veterinarian’s office, she was given something to cause more vomiting, charcoal, and vitamin K. I was given oral vitamin K for 21 days. Needless to say, I feel guilty for putting the poison down and then not watching her more closely . She seems fine but I am still afraid.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Crystal, you certainly learned your lesson the hard way. I once had a patient, a tiny five pound Poodle who turned over a huge concrete block to get to rat poison! You have little to worry about now. Finish the 21 days of Vitamin K, watch carefully for blood in the urine or splotchy bleeding under the skin. Some of the newest-generation rodenticides can have long-lasting effects, but you will be watching carefully and you will see the evidence should that occur. I’m delighted you got proper care promptly. It paid off for you. Thank you for your continued readership of MyPetsDoctor.com.
      Dr. Randolph

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  82. Genevieve

    A week ago today my 4 month old beagle cross got into rat poison, I rushed him immediately to the veterinarian where they induced vomiting, and gave him charcoal and now he is on an oral dose of vitamin K over the next 21 days. I cant imagine not dealing with it right away. He is definitely on the road to recovery. I would say even if you think they might have eaten something they shouldnt have, chances are they probably did. Better to be safe than sorry.

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  83. Bill

    Hi… I just wanted to share my story. My girlfriend has a 3 year old Pug. She got into the rat poison at a friend’s house. We knew she got into it but didn’t know how much. We were looking for any signs at all of her getting sick and we were very close to taking her to the emergency vet. We were out of town and monitored her closely throughout the night but she acted fine.

    A little over 24 hrs later.. can’t remember exactly…Lily had a bright green stool. We thought… good.. she got rid of the poison in of her system since she was still acting 100 percent fine.
    Fast forward around a week later.. and my girfriend comes home from work and finds Lily bleeding from many points on her body and she is very bruised. The rat poison was kicking in. Well.. my girlfriend rushes Lily to the emergency vet where the damage is assessed. Her blood wasn’t clotting at all and she was bleeding internally. They put her on a IV. She goes through two blood transfusions with some plasma treatment and Vitamin K injections over a couple of days. She was alive but she was still having trouble breathing cause there was bit of blood in her lungs. The emergency veterinarian sucked that blood out of her lungs. She is slowly but surely getting better. She is eating again and snorting again (which for a pug is awesome). This of course cost my girlfriend a ton of money (but there was no doubt on her trying to save Lily). So far.. its been over a week and Lily is improving day by day. She is still on the Vitamin K doses given orally and she is getting more love than a dog knows what to do with.

    If you see the green stool or know your dog got into this rat/mouse poison then please take your dog immediately to the emergency veterinarian or your regular veterinarian. It is a matter of life and death for your pet. Our mistake was not taking the dog to the emergency veterinarian right away which would have saved the dog alot of pain and us a lot of money. Even after seeing the green stool.. we could have saved the dog alot of hardship if we took the dog to the doctor. Just because your dog had a green stool doesn’t mean you are out of the woods. Quite the contrary.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Thank you, Bill, for the testimonial on how important a quick response is with rodenticide poisoning. Because modern rodenticides last so long it is imperative that treatment lasts as long as the poison.

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  84. Lisa

    Thank you for the post regarding rat poison. Our dog “found” rat poison and consumed 2 boxes of bait (we think). We induced vomiting and took her for emergency treatment. We believe she is on her way to full recovery.

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      Lisa you have reaped the rewards of not delaying when a potentially deadly event occurs. Good job! We always like to hear good news here at MyPetsDoctor.com. Thank you for your readership, Dr. Randolph

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  85. Devon

    Hi,
    My cat has possibly ingested rodenticides from around the house or eaten a mouse that has ingested them. It has been vomiting up any food eaten in the next couple of hours after ingestion. I have found no signs of blood in the stool, blood under the skin, salivating, convulsions, or very pale gums. The cat seems to be acting normal but just to be sure I was thinking of giving it Vitamin K. Other sites seem to point to Vitamin K-1 to help clotting. Should I wait it out? Give it the Vitamin? or what?

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    1. Dr. James W. Randolph Post author

      “I’ll quote from the Article: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

      If your pet is in any way exposed to modern rat poisons it is a medical emergency that you cannot put off. “Exposed” includes having been in the vicinity of the poison and you’re not sure whether he actually ate any or not.”
      That said, in the total and complete absence of rodenticide poisoning signs I would advise that when you seek medical attention don’t try to influence your pet’s doctor to focus on rodenticide poisoning. The likelihood of OTHER causes of gastrointestinal upset are much more likely. You could waste valuable time trying to practice medicine when your pet needs to be at a doctor’s office. Don’t delay.
      Thanks for writing, Dr. Randolph.

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